It wasn't lost on me that I was listening to this while I was furtively working in my native gardens! I have certainly discovered the essential need to "plant potatoes" and am always toying with how much is too much, though I attract to immersive work on the land immensely!
At least in my own life and relations it feels like an instigation energy is activating.
Several groups moving from talking online towards meeting in the flesh and getting creative.
No doubt that's also Spring energy, but it feels richer than just that.
I wasn't expecting that (long) turn. Also not my own interpretation, but interestingly the descriptions weren't so 'alien' to me or a steadily increasing number of people I know, either.
Part of what got me curious about Dark matter.
It did remind me of you once saying
"The first rule of super powers, is you don't talk about super powers."
Thank you for sharing! I am grateful that I have the day free and was able to spend my morning listening to this. The podcast came at the perfect time for me, as well. When watching Gafni and Stein speak about Cosmo-Erotic Humanism on Monday, I commented on how we need a people-led movement and how we should stop giving away our power to billionaires. Someone commented about how we as people need money and power to have influence. In that moment, my brain shut off, yet her comment stuck with me. I've been thinking about this since, and I don't necessarily believe that is true. As said in this podcast, as an outsider in this liminal space, I think what you all are doing is stealing culture, just maybe not at the pace you would like. As JR stated, there is a sense of urgency and that we are talking more than doing. I'd agree with what you said, Bonnitta, that the writing and podcasting are doing. From my own experience as someone who doesn't have a substack or podcast, I let all of these ideas run through me. I am not sure where it is leading, and I want it to lead somewhere. I almost do what Layman calls "meditationalizing" to take these ideas and try to implement them into my life, to embody them.
I think the Point JR makes around 39 mins in about how every subgroup are different ingredients to a cake stood out to me. From my perspective, it seems as if the subgroups are competing around what is coming and how to deal with it. These ideas, I would argue, need to be integrated, and we need to co-create; it's not one or the other; it's a both/and. I had the same thought Sunday listening to Tom Amarque on Parallax talking about Gafni and a return to eros, yet how Bard and others think it's more of a return to Freud and the libidinal. Amarque raises the question, why can't it be both? I agree it seems like this very tribal thing is still occurring, and maybe that is something that we can't transcend as people.
Thank you for always pushing the limits of my thinking :)
Also, I see the function of the POP-UP School is to produce influencers, who have a basis in what I teach/ contribute to their insight processes and practices. I am fortunate to have "influencers" here to participate in this initiative.
I'll take that as synchronicity. When listening earlier, I got caught up in the imaginal. I'm trying to think about who and what I am in relation to whatever this liminal web is. I sit on the outskirts and listen and don't participate that much. I was thinking of myself as a vessel for ideas, and there is nothing I love more than telling people about the things I am learning. I was thinking about this as a social media influencer in a more beautiful world, ha.
I want to talk about different relational logics. Your comment reminded me of what I had written in my notebooks elsewhere. It's the notion of collaborative competition. Think of any competitive sport -- tennis, chess, swimming. There is the competitive aspect of it, but also each player is helping the other get better. This means they are collaborating on making each other better as well as collaborating on making the sport itself better. Right now I see all these diverse spaces as collaborative competitors. There is a generative tension right now across these spaces, which I don't believe are "competing silos" at all. People have different operating tempos and effects, and various degrees of influence. But even we (the players) don't know where the game is going. Seems likely its an infinite game and we just have to keep playing.
The notion of collaborative competition helps. Sometimes, when listening to some of the arguments in these spaces, I tend to view it as, "I'm right, and you're wrong." When digging into myself, this is a built-in function I've always had as a mediator, and finding myself caught between tension. Which is something along the lines of, I look up to you all very much, and I think you are all right. I see what you're saying; all of you in this space are pushing the limits of each other's thinking, and I find it quite beautiful.
It wasn't lost on me that I was listening to this while I was furtively working in my native gardens! I have certainly discovered the essential need to "plant potatoes" and am always toying with how much is too much, though I attract to immersive work on the land immensely!
Real interesting and timely conversation.
At least in my own life and relations it feels like an instigation energy is activating.
Several groups moving from talking online towards meeting in the flesh and getting creative.
No doubt that's also Spring energy, but it feels richer than just that.
I wasn't expecting that (long) turn. Also not my own interpretation, but interestingly the descriptions weren't so 'alien' to me or a steadily increasing number of people I know, either.
Part of what got me curious about Dark matter.
It did remind me of you once saying
"The first rule of super powers, is you don't talk about super powers."
Thank you for sharing! I am grateful that I have the day free and was able to spend my morning listening to this. The podcast came at the perfect time for me, as well. When watching Gafni and Stein speak about Cosmo-Erotic Humanism on Monday, I commented on how we need a people-led movement and how we should stop giving away our power to billionaires. Someone commented about how we as people need money and power to have influence. In that moment, my brain shut off, yet her comment stuck with me. I've been thinking about this since, and I don't necessarily believe that is true. As said in this podcast, as an outsider in this liminal space, I think what you all are doing is stealing culture, just maybe not at the pace you would like. As JR stated, there is a sense of urgency and that we are talking more than doing. I'd agree with what you said, Bonnitta, that the writing and podcasting are doing. From my own experience as someone who doesn't have a substack or podcast, I let all of these ideas run through me. I am not sure where it is leading, and I want it to lead somewhere. I almost do what Layman calls "meditationalizing" to take these ideas and try to implement them into my life, to embody them.
I think the Point JR makes around 39 mins in about how every subgroup are different ingredients to a cake stood out to me. From my perspective, it seems as if the subgroups are competing around what is coming and how to deal with it. These ideas, I would argue, need to be integrated, and we need to co-create; it's not one or the other; it's a both/and. I had the same thought Sunday listening to Tom Amarque on Parallax talking about Gafni and a return to eros, yet how Bard and others think it's more of a return to Freud and the libidinal. Amarque raises the question, why can't it be both? I agree it seems like this very tribal thing is still occurring, and maybe that is something that we can't transcend as people.
Thank you for always pushing the limits of my thinking :)
Also, I see the function of the POP-UP School is to produce influencers, who have a basis in what I teach/ contribute to their insight processes and practices. I am fortunate to have "influencers" here to participate in this initiative.
I'll take that as synchronicity. When listening earlier, I got caught up in the imaginal. I'm trying to think about who and what I am in relation to whatever this liminal web is. I sit on the outskirts and listen and don't participate that much. I was thinking of myself as a vessel for ideas, and there is nothing I love more than telling people about the things I am learning. I was thinking about this as a social media influencer in a more beautiful world, ha.
There is no inside/outside to the liminal.
I want to talk about different relational logics. Your comment reminded me of what I had written in my notebooks elsewhere. It's the notion of collaborative competition. Think of any competitive sport -- tennis, chess, swimming. There is the competitive aspect of it, but also each player is helping the other get better. This means they are collaborating on making each other better as well as collaborating on making the sport itself better. Right now I see all these diverse spaces as collaborative competitors. There is a generative tension right now across these spaces, which I don't believe are "competing silos" at all. People have different operating tempos and effects, and various degrees of influence. But even we (the players) don't know where the game is going. Seems likely its an infinite game and we just have to keep playing.
The notion of collaborative competition helps. Sometimes, when listening to some of the arguments in these spaces, I tend to view it as, "I'm right, and you're wrong." When digging into myself, this is a built-in function I've always had as a mediator, and finding myself caught between tension. Which is something along the lines of, I look up to you all very much, and I think you are all right. I see what you're saying; all of you in this space are pushing the limits of each other's thinking, and I find it quite beautiful.
Yes! Generative tension. I could say so much more. Maybe a winter series on holding generative tension ???