05:00 Perceptions of depth 11:30 The postmodern focus on interiority 20:30 The empirical fallacy 29:00 The key issue with Stage Theory 34:30 The issue of complexity 43:00 The nature of mind 58:00 Moving away from stage theory 1:03:30 Why we need unstructured time 1:11:00 Action protocols for development 1:18:00 The choices we can make 1:29:00 Fostering wisdom in the workplace 1:32:00 Humans vs machines
Bonnie, I really am enjoying the powerful conversation - the concepts, ideas, and frames. I have a couple of observations and questions for you. First, I find what you are saying so helpful - it is taking ideas and thoughts out of my intuition and putting words on them. Particularly the ideas you are posing re adult development and complexity. I so appreciate the naming of our need to map complexity - to make things even more complex and unknowable. There is so much more for me to reflect on in this conversation.
Some thoughts and questions:
You speak of unstructured time and being in the unfolding. I can see the value of that and find tension in this comment. And you speak of the flow between the interior and exterior as a way to do more of/less of.
I realize that I have an interest in reducing suffering - both the suffering that stems from the exterior world has been organized through capitalism, patriarchy, colonialism, and structural racism as well as the interior world - thru the impacts of the exterior. Most people are not in a position to create unstructured time and let things unfold. My experience is that those who have that time have it because of a shifting to burden to those who do not (particularly in the global south).
Perhaps reducing complexity, first principle thinking and being are ways to reduce suffering. My sense is that the current forces of modernity are too strong and too many of us are on the knife's edge of surviving to risk taking this on. So, my wondering and question is connected to the need to support what is dying - particularly the systems and structures that can no longer survive current reality.
What is the nature of mind that can assist in (hospice) the dying that is happening in front of us?
What is the nature of the psyche that can hold the emotional resilience and courage needed to do more or and less of as this dying is happening?
What is the role of intentional learning to support all of this?
These are the wondering I was left with after the podcast. Thanks so much for being so clear about what is needed.
Bonnie, I really am enjoying the powerful conversation - the concepts, ideas, and frames. I have a couple of observations and questions for you. First, I find what you are saying so helpful - it is taking ideas and thoughts out of my intuition and putting words on them. Particularly the ideas you are posing re adult development and complexity. I so appreciate the naming of our need to map complexity - to make things even more complex and unknowable. There is so much more for me to reflect on in this conversation.
Some thoughts and questions:
You speak of unstructured time and being in the unfolding. I can see the value of that and find tension in this comment. And you speak of the flow between the interior and exterior as a way to do more of/less of.
I realize that I have an interest in reducing suffering - both the suffering that stems from the exterior world has been organized through capitalism, patriarchy, colonialism, and structural racism as well as the interior world - thru the impacts of the exterior. Most people are not in a position to create unstructured time and let things unfold. My experience is that those who have that time have it because of a shifting to burden to those who do not (particularly in the global south).
Perhaps reducing complexity, first principle thinking and being are ways to reduce suffering. My sense is that the current forces of modernity are too strong and too many of us are on the knife's edge of surviving to risk taking this on. So, my wondering and question is connected to the need to support what is dying - particularly the systems and structures that can no longer survive current reality.
What is the nature of mind that can assist in (hospice) the dying that is happening in front of us?
What is the nature of the psyche that can hold the emotional resilience and courage needed to do more or and less of as this dying is happening?
What is the role of intentional learning to support all of this?
These are the wondering I was left with after the podcast. Thanks so much for being so clear about what is needed.