I’m just getting around to this one, and I’m grateful for what I have heard here. It “feels” supportive of my experiences, which are damned difficult to transmit.
I may meander a bit here.
I have been observing patterns in energy for decades in a way that I can most closely describe as “seeing/feeling” – some blending of the two. The vast majority of my energetic experiencing, though infinitely flowing and complex, have long ago become uninteresting. I do often pause to simply delight in the pleasure of them in their transitory beauty.
But some are truly fascinating. Sometimes the patterns are informative, as in something is obvious to me about them and language descriptors somehow arise with them. These can sometimes be relayed to people who are accustomed to listening to me, or those who are in the general neighborhood.
At other times, I’ll see a pattern that is clearly reflected “downstream” as a fractal-like pattern that exists at many “levels” – best word I can come up with though it does not really feel right. Typically, in an instant, I see the pattern repeat itself into the infinite distance. I cannot relay in words the pattern itself (a pure abstraction) and it disappears into the distance so fast that I can only pick up the manifestation that brought it to light, and usually the next one “downstream.” This is usually not enough to convince anyone that what I saw is real, though those who are closest to me will feel the validity in how I am presencing what I saw and will simply acknowledge that. It tends to be rare, and is a real treasure, when I can both language its essence and have it feel like someone really gets it, empties me of it, in a way. It is common that these insights will hang around a while and then fade into the background as part of my own kind of transitory, contextual ground, which after all of these decades I don’t think that I could describe to anyone really.
Another reflection on these fractal-like patterns is that they “might” be hierarchical, but they each show up in their pure form at each “level” downstream and I assume, though I have no experiential evidence, upstream as well. So there seems to be an upstream and a downstream but I typically don’t see an actual hierarchy in the energy itself.
I’ll also thank you here for your comments about stage theory, and the like. I find things like this interesting, but only useful insomuch as they might provide a handhold for a distinction that allows some pattern that I have been immersed in, and blind to, to be now distinguished as not “me.” There is “freedom” in that. The distinctions of “justification systems” and “simulations,” for example, are now labels of experiences that when I feel them, that label provides a distinct separation. So, for me, letting go can be initiated by cognition OR experience and one assists the other as I shed them…at least that’s how it appears to work in this body/mind.
I’m going blend the fractal-like patterns and freedom. In my experience, when wavelengths become short enough for me to occasionally distinguish a pattern, then I am free of it, even though it may take time to get far enough beyond its experiential frequency range that it no longer clings to me, whether that attraction is out of range or is at a different enough velocity that it can’t stick.
This appears to be a rowing-like mechanism, where shorter wavelengths shift into my foreground as I move into longer wavelengths. The shorter and the longer cannot exist in the same space at the same time and as I acclimate to the longer, the shorter recede. The longest, in a given moment of experience, are too subtle for me to sense anything more than overall motion, or perhaps an undulation - a mere portion of a sine wave. There are not enough peaks and troughs to distinguish a frequency, therefore no patterns can be "seen." And, in my view, in order to “see/feel” the longer ones I must widen my attention – however the hell that works – and since narrower focus, by its very nature, excludes more in the periphery, the reverse includes more of the periphery. It could be said that the narrower the focus, the more “confined” attention feels. Thus, the wider the attention, the more it feels like freedom in comparison. This may be some kind of intentionally driven action of your transducer. Who knows, but it’s fun to simulate. 😉
Now I don’t want to diminish the value of narrowed focus, because it seems that it is an outlet for creativity. But I do, myself, tend to be drawn to longer wavelengths, wider focus. I don’t know why that is, but it appears to be so.
This is excellent. This kind of awareness has been invaluable to the progress of neurophenomenology. Maybe you should get Katie Devaney to put electrodes on your head in her lab at Berkeley?
Don't know about her. They actually did that to me at The Monroe Institute in 1989 or so. I do recall them saying that I had a "hot spot" that remained for most of the 30 minutes or so, which was new to them at the time.
I was just thinking that all of my practices, We Space, pranayama and cognitive, are all ways in which I enlarge the aperture of the transducer in order for it to accommodate longer wavelengths...AND groups do that for me too. I did have this notion of aperture size before but the accommodation of the wavelengths is new, and very cool. The transducer image itself presents another feature that feels important. It seems like a kind of linguistic anchor, much like the justification and simulation examples that I mentioned above. I think that it will be useful for some period of time.
I had once mentioned in a class that I had remembered someone that I worked with in the 70's that brought me joy and I ended up with a list of 1,160+ people. The presence of their essences in me, as now part of my essence, has also enlarged the aperture, I think.
There is a mythopoetic story that goes something like the transducer is so "pure" that what goes in doesn't in anyway distort what comes out. Karma-free zone.
I’m just getting around to this one, and I’m grateful for what I have heard here. It “feels” supportive of my experiences, which are damned difficult to transmit.
I may meander a bit here.
I have been observing patterns in energy for decades in a way that I can most closely describe as “seeing/feeling” – some blending of the two. The vast majority of my energetic experiencing, though infinitely flowing and complex, have long ago become uninteresting. I do often pause to simply delight in the pleasure of them in their transitory beauty.
But some are truly fascinating. Sometimes the patterns are informative, as in something is obvious to me about them and language descriptors somehow arise with them. These can sometimes be relayed to people who are accustomed to listening to me, or those who are in the general neighborhood.
At other times, I’ll see a pattern that is clearly reflected “downstream” as a fractal-like pattern that exists at many “levels” – best word I can come up with though it does not really feel right. Typically, in an instant, I see the pattern repeat itself into the infinite distance. I cannot relay in words the pattern itself (a pure abstraction) and it disappears into the distance so fast that I can only pick up the manifestation that brought it to light, and usually the next one “downstream.” This is usually not enough to convince anyone that what I saw is real, though those who are closest to me will feel the validity in how I am presencing what I saw and will simply acknowledge that. It tends to be rare, and is a real treasure, when I can both language its essence and have it feel like someone really gets it, empties me of it, in a way. It is common that these insights will hang around a while and then fade into the background as part of my own kind of transitory, contextual ground, which after all of these decades I don’t think that I could describe to anyone really.
Another reflection on these fractal-like patterns is that they “might” be hierarchical, but they each show up in their pure form at each “level” downstream and I assume, though I have no experiential evidence, upstream as well. So there seems to be an upstream and a downstream but I typically don’t see an actual hierarchy in the energy itself.
I’ll also thank you here for your comments about stage theory, and the like. I find things like this interesting, but only useful insomuch as they might provide a handhold for a distinction that allows some pattern that I have been immersed in, and blind to, to be now distinguished as not “me.” There is “freedom” in that. The distinctions of “justification systems” and “simulations,” for example, are now labels of experiences that when I feel them, that label provides a distinct separation. So, for me, letting go can be initiated by cognition OR experience and one assists the other as I shed them…at least that’s how it appears to work in this body/mind.
I’m going blend the fractal-like patterns and freedom. In my experience, when wavelengths become short enough for me to occasionally distinguish a pattern, then I am free of it, even though it may take time to get far enough beyond its experiential frequency range that it no longer clings to me, whether that attraction is out of range or is at a different enough velocity that it can’t stick.
This appears to be a rowing-like mechanism, where shorter wavelengths shift into my foreground as I move into longer wavelengths. The shorter and the longer cannot exist in the same space at the same time and as I acclimate to the longer, the shorter recede. The longest, in a given moment of experience, are too subtle for me to sense anything more than overall motion, or perhaps an undulation - a mere portion of a sine wave. There are not enough peaks and troughs to distinguish a frequency, therefore no patterns can be "seen." And, in my view, in order to “see/feel” the longer ones I must widen my attention – however the hell that works – and since narrower focus, by its very nature, excludes more in the periphery, the reverse includes more of the periphery. It could be said that the narrower the focus, the more “confined” attention feels. Thus, the wider the attention, the more it feels like freedom in comparison. This may be some kind of intentionally driven action of your transducer. Who knows, but it’s fun to simulate. 😉
Now I don’t want to diminish the value of narrowed focus, because it seems that it is an outlet for creativity. But I do, myself, tend to be drawn to longer wavelengths, wider focus. I don’t know why that is, but it appears to be so.
This is excellent. This kind of awareness has been invaluable to the progress of neurophenomenology. Maybe you should get Katie Devaney to put electrodes on your head in her lab at Berkeley?
Don't know about her. They actually did that to me at The Monroe Institute in 1989 or so. I do recall them saying that I had a "hot spot" that remained for most of the 30 minutes or so, which was new to them at the time.
I was just thinking that all of my practices, We Space, pranayama and cognitive, are all ways in which I enlarge the aperture of the transducer in order for it to accommodate longer wavelengths...AND groups do that for me too. I did have this notion of aperture size before but the accommodation of the wavelengths is new, and very cool. The transducer image itself presents another feature that feels important. It seems like a kind of linguistic anchor, much like the justification and simulation examples that I mentioned above. I think that it will be useful for some period of time.
I had once mentioned in a class that I had remembered someone that I worked with in the 70's that brought me joy and I ended up with a list of 1,160+ people. The presence of their essences in me, as now part of my essence, has also enlarged the aperture, I think.
There is a mythopoetic story that goes something like the transducer is so "pure" that what goes in doesn't in anyway distort what comes out. Karma-free zone.
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